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LightSaber_Fighter Nerf Herder

Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 18
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: Slow fall to the Darkside |
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As I started earlier in another post, what about more scenes involving Anakin's fall. Seemed a little abrupt in the movies. I like the addiction theme where it slowly takes control of him. Kind of like Lord of the Rings where Frodo had some dark moments, only I think the moments should be veiled or explained away so that we as the audience see a slow fall but characters like Obi-wan don't pick up on it until too late.
Side note (kinda): The scene in Ep2 where Anikin is admitting to killing the women and children that he adds the part "and it made me feel stronger..." Chilling huh? I'll have to credit Darth Geoff for that one. |
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Lou Bacca Padawan

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 71 Location: New York City
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Is that the line from the movie? Or is that something Geoff wrote that I haven't seen?
And I like the slow fall idea, but I replied to it in the other thread, so I won't repeat it all here. _________________ We've got to be able to get some sort of reading on those pants, up or down! |
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Darth Geoff Bad to the Bone

Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 83 Location: Far, far away...
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: |
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PADMÉ: Annie, what's wrong?
ANAKIN: I... I killed them. I killed them all. They're
dead, every single one of them...
ANAKIN focuses on her like someone returning from far away.
ANAKIN: Not just the men, but the women and the children
too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like
animals... I hate them! |
That was something we discussed in TRW. The line would go something like:
| Quote: | PADMÉ: Annie, what's wrong?
ANAKIN: I... I didn't mean to do it... it just happened....
like something took over...
PADMÉ: What Annie? What happened?
ANAKIN: (crying)I killed them. I killed them all. They're
dead, every single one of them...
ANAKIN focuses on her like someone returning from far away.
ANAKIN: Not just the men, but the women and the children
too. I slaughtered them like animals... and I felt so... powerful... |
Or "strong" or something along those lines.
It's a really important scene in Lucas' story, and the way it's originally written we learn that Anakin is capable of horrific things, but there's nothing for Anakin to learn. |
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Princess Laura Youngling

Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 22 Location: Upland, CA
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: Disagreement |
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I will have to disagree with him feeling like "something took over." The horror of it, what makes us sympathetic to him, even though he turns into one of the most well-known villains of all time BEFORE we even know him as a child, is that he knew his path and walked down it anyways. He allowed the dark side to consume him. Accidental villains are uninteresting; ones that are made into unwilling villains by manipulation even worse. The insanity plea is out.
As far as addiction goes, when it's a strong drug, you can be hooked the first time. Perhaps the sand people whetted his appetite for blood in a way that he tried to control afterwards and failed.
The things that inspire the most horror are the ones you see coming. Think Hitchcock; he was a master of suspense not because he told gruesome stories, but because he let you know exactly what was happening and then made you watch it happen, minute by minute.
And before you guys call me on the element of surprise, that's shock, not horror. Think 9/11. It was shocking to see the planes fly into the towers. It was horror to watch the replays. _________________ "I find your lack of pants disturbing." |
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Lou Bacca Padawan

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 71 Location: New York City
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe that's how it should be from Obi Wan and Padme's perspective - they watch in horror as Anakin becomes Darth Vader, and are powerless to stop it. _________________ We've got to be able to get some sort of reading on those pants, up or down! |
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Darth Geoff Bad to the Bone

Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 83 Location: Far, far away...
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Disagreement |
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| Princess Laura wrote: | | I will have to disagree with him feeling like "something took over." The horror of it, what makes us sympathetic to him, even though he turns into one of the most well-known villains of all time BEFORE we even know him as a child, is that he knew his path and walked down it anyways. He allowed the dark side to consume him. Accidental villains are uninteresting; ones that are made into unwilling villains by manipulation even worse. The insanity plea is out. |
I think it's appropriate because it's a situation in which a good person could give in to the hate completely and utterly. It would be an unfimiliar and disturbing experience and he would disassociate himself from it.
The horror, as you say, would come from the fact that he later conciously chooses to go back to that state for the power it provides him. We are sickened when he embraces the thing for which we had previously pitied him.
On a different point:
| Quote: | VADER
Your skills are complete. Indeed, you are
powerful, as the Emperor has foreseen.
They stand for a moment, then Vader extinguishes the lightsaber.
LUKE
Come with me.
VADER
Obi-Wan once thought as you do.
Luke steps close to Vader, then stops. Vader is still.
VADER
You don't know the power of the dark side. I
must obey my master. |
This is another key exchange in the original series.
I was thinking about this line the other day, and it occurred to me that it would be cool if Palpatine convinced Anakin that dark side powers actually channel through the master to the student, so that the student must obey him in order to use his full potential.
This would be a really great plot tool in getting Anakin to fully commit to the dark side. _________________ I cannot teach him. The boy has no pants. |
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CLM Banta Poodoo
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: The lure of the dark side |
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The movies had a hard time selling anakin's move to the darkside because it was based on his unrequitted love for padme. If we really believed they had a connection it might work but the chemistry between the actors and the script made that impossible to believe. So what turns Darth: one moment or a slow slide?
I propose it's a slide, of sorts. We have to find things that he believes in that makes him believe all cruelty can be justified for a given end. I propose he is exposed to very brutal cruelty from the git-go as a slave and is shown that this cruelty was the result of a 'rebel'. Perhaps a former Jedi who turned, became a planet governor and allows cruelty to exist for his own profit/gain. thus Darth would be compelled to stamp out all rebels who do not wish to obey the Federation, as Federation is order and peace. During his growth, however, from boy to adult we must always see he is never one step away from cutting off an eye. The prequels tried to show this but made him look like a wimpy punk. We need a dark Anakin so that when he turns for good it seems believable. |
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